Muslims Plea for Understanding

the_koranOn a liberal Christian site (one I like reading occassionally) I saw this letter posted pleading for an end to torture.  Indeed, a wonderful plea.  Obviously it was also trying to help non-Muslims see that there are Muslims who are thoughtful and kind (which I am sure of already, as I know many).  All fine and good until they quote examples of Muhammad to show us why Islam does not believe in Torture.  Come on, please tell us we don’t look that stupid !  Here is my reply:


I agree that torture is wrong. But how am I to trust Muslims who cite Muhammad (no letters needed) for authority when it was Muhammad who wrote the quotes below. Shouldn’t you Muslims first show us that you want a total reformation of Islam, starting with the Koran !

1. Those who consider the Quran to be “mere fables” will be branded on the nose. 68:15-16

2. Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9

3. Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17

4. Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

5. Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38

6. If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91

7. If you die fighting for Allah, you’ll be rewarded in heaven. 3:157

And many, many more such verses – look here !
Please help me understand! You sound sincere, but you see the incongruency, don’t you?


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4 responses to “Muslims Plea for Understanding

  1. It’s the same inconsistencies presented in holding a liberal (i.e. socially acceptable) faith of any sort. You either believe your holy text to be, well, “not so holy,” or you accept the extremist doctrines prescribed in the holy book.

    On the other hand, if they’re able to rationalize that in their minds and convince themselves that a liberal faith is more acceptable than a conservative one, then I would say more power to them. That, of course, comes with the condition that they don’t encourage extremists in defense of their religion simply because they fall under the big tent of “faith.”

  2. Oh, on the “intellectual dishonesty” part. I agree. If they’re going to contradict their holy book, they need to be honest about it.

    “Muhammad was wrong.” Granted!

  3. Earnest

    I don’t see this as intellectual dishonesty, although I certainly see how somebody might percieve that. The bulk of scholarly thought seems to indicate the Bible is a lumpy uncomfortable concretion of loosely connected stories which were crudely and frequently edited to serve the politics of the time. So therefore as a Christian I feel I have every right to pick and choose certain pieces of the Bible as my own and discard the chaff that I find within those very same pages.

    So why can’t a Muslim point to the Koran as proof that “his or her” Allah is merciful and kind even to Unbelievers? Perhaps there are sections of the Koran that would lead one to believe this if the other parts are ignored. So allow the Cafeteria Muslims their piecemeal beliefs and move on. I feel that so far I have not seen anybody firmly prove this is intellectual dishonesty at all, for either Christians or Muslims or what have you.

  4. @ Earnest
    Sure, piecemeal is fine. We just need Muslims more vocal against the fundamentalist ‘brothers’.

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