Christians Should Believe in Aliens

Jesus & AlienThis last month I have chatted with several Christians who confessed to believing in UFOs and aliens who have visited earth, left signs or encounter humans. I guess lots of Christians apparently believe in UFOs.

Indeed, a talk radio station in my town understands very well how belief-types come in clusters. That station broadcasts the following shows: Conservative talk shows, Religious talk shows, Alternative Medicine shows and Shows about ESP and Aliens. I think they are clever in reading their audiences.

Tonight I ran into Bob Seidensticker’s blog where he basically shows that if Christians say that their faith is based on evidence, then certainly they should also believe in UFOs because the evidence for UFOs & Aliens is much greater than that for Christianity. It is a fun read and in honor of his post, I photoshopped this pic today.

Let me add the following caveats to my surprise (in case you don’t know):

Question to readers: Do you believe UFO and Aliens have visited earth and left signs?




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27 responses to “Christians Should Believe in Aliens

  1. No, I don’t. Mainly because of what conditions the potential home planet needs to meet in order for life (not only complex life) to exist and sustain.

    I don’t have any theological objections to there being life out there somewhere in the universe — it wouldn’t upend my religious apple cart.

  2. Abel

    For God so loved the world that He abducted his only Son…

  3. rautakyy

    No, I do not. The evidence is too weak for me to make that leap.

    The existance of space faring intelligent lifeforms however to me seems quite possible – somewhere in the universe. It is far less wondrous assumption than, that there exists anything supernatural, let alone any specific deity suggested by any particular human religion.

    We simply do not actually know what kind of life could be out there. The universe is immense and there may possibly (even propably) be so many exo-planets, that could harbour life even somewhat “similar” to ours as the basic building blocs of our kind of life, the amino-acids are not so rare in the universe at all.

    I find it a bit disturbing, that when apologists make the claim, that a god exists by pointing out to a possible prime mover, they do not seem to understand, that the distance from such an entity to their own personal god as described by their religious human cultural heritage, is at least as big as it is between a possible life form somewhere in the vast universe and a humanoid alien culture influencing human history. They are both gaps impossible to close with our current knowledge exept with totally and genuinely ignorant blind faith.

  4. chialphagirl

    I agree with John Barron. I don’t believe in aliens for the same reasons.

  5. @ John Barron\,
    So you are you saying you don’t believe in UFOs because you think that there no significant possibility of complex, intelligent life to evolve on other planets, correct?
    Did you read the link to the other article?

    @ Chialphagril,
    Did you read the link to the article?
    Why don’t you believe UFOs are a possibility?
    How do you look at weighing evidence for UFOs differently from weighing evidence for claims of gods: Krishna, Jesus, Amida or others?
    Sorry, big question, but if you have any quick answer or links to your post answer this, it would be fun to see.

    Same for John Barron, too, of course.

  6. rautakyy

    @John Barron and chialphagirl, you disbelieve the alien claims because they are against your understanding of the material universe? But the Jesus story is supposed to brake the rules of material universe. Right? If you apply the same criteria to both stories, then the aliens might be existing because of supernatural agency, just as well as Jesus doing wondrous miracle stuff, dispite your knowledge of the rarity of the conditions for complex life. Do you apply the same criteria, or do you give one of these claims the benefit of special pleading?

    You do realize, that there are literally thousands of galaxies we have already observed and that in each of these there are billions of starsystems and that many of these have existed for billions of years? The fact that the conditions for a planet to sustain complex life would be relatively rare means really nothing in comparrison when put into context. But for sure we just do not know.

  7. Will Hauck

    1. I tend to accept that other life forms exist on other planets, and that some of these life forms probably approximate what we call intelligence. That seems to flow from the law of large numbers, if nothing else.

    2. That said, physics is a harsh mistress. There seems little chance that they could visit.

    3. It seems easier to explain the evidence that Seidensticker cites by pointing to human fallibility than by positing an alien species that has found some way to cross the vast distances. The evidence will need to be less ephemeral to tip the scales.

  8. @Will Hauck,
    So, do you also disbelieve the Jesus walked on water?

  9. We don’t need to have faith in UFO’s and Aliens or even unicorns or mermaids! We have proof. You atheists….

  10. @Luke,
    Cartoonists are fun!
    So, Luke, what percent of your congregation, do you imagine, believes in visiting aliens?

  11. 0-5% if that. I would be very surprised if it broke double-digits.

  12. Why should I either (1) believe in UFOs or (2) not believe in UFOs? I simply assign a very small probability to the event that UFOs (a generic name for any intelligent extraterrestrial object) have visited Earth. But, in the asbsence of evidence, I keep this probability extremely low. Not zero, but something like 10^(-20). On the other hand, I assign a significantly larger probability to the event that there is some kind of life in the Universe. (This could be in the form of “plants” based on silicon molecules; that is, it could be very different from anything that science fiction authors could dream of.) Finally, I assign extremely low probability that we (I mean us and our homo sapiens descendants and their descendant species) would ever get in touch with this kind of life, simply because of the size of the Universe. In brief, if I was forced to bet my money, I would bet on the event that `alien life exists, but life on Earth never has and never will get in touch with it.’

    I do not believe. The verb does not exist.

  13. @ Takis,
    So, where do you “keep” your probability of a theist god?
    Also around 10E-20? How about a deist god?

  14. Actually, contrary to alien questions, I haven’t thought about that; because I don’t know on what basis I could assign this probability. There seems to be no physical or mathematical reason. So, sorry, I can’t answer.

    Incidentally, I don’t doubt you saw the UFOs when you were 7. I also saw a bear at the side of my bedroom, and was convinced it was true.

  15. Thanx, Takis,
    On what basis did you assign ANY value to the Aliens visiting earth propositions? Your initial post did say it was >0 (though minutely). Do you feel you have less or more evidence for the existence of a Theist or Deist god.
    Or are you saying there is mathematical reason to allow that aliens visited earth, or are you saying there is physical reason to allow that aliens possibly visited earth? I am sure you see the issue.

  16. I’m only saying that there are physical reasons for existence of life elsewhere (and therefore for the remote possibility that our life has been in touch with other life). After that, assigning a probability is a subjective matter. But there are no physical arguments for god. By the way, the 10^(-20) probability means, roughly, once in the life of the Universe. Perhaps, as some argue, life on earth is the result of “microbes” falling on the planet.

    No, I’m not being super-scientific, there is a lot of subjectivity in what I’m estimating.

    Back to work (in Scotland for the time being.)

  17. I agree, Takis. This makes it clear that Christians should believe more strongly that Aliens have visited earth than that an all-loving, all-knowing, intervening deity has visited earth and intervened.
    Enjoy your Scottish visit — you globetrotter (I’m envious)

  18. “This makes it clear that Christians should believe more strongly that Aliens have visited earth than that an all-loving, all-knowing, intervening deity has visited earth and intervened.”
    -Ummm… what?

    Once again, examine the assumption of what God is. This can only operate in a classic theist, and interventionist model. Not a deist, pantheist, or panentheist model. Or even in the classic rabbinic model. Lotsa models, your claim address two prevalent models, but not all. Semantics, but trying to sharpen the argument (which I agree. Those who believe in those models should and odds are DO believe in UFOs, intervening gods, and other nutty things like government conspiracies).

    Also, an unrelated thought occurred reading Takis’ thoughts. UFO’s are different in my mind, than in life on other planets. Life on other planets for me is 100%, just we haven’t found it yet. Whether this life has visited us and prodded our cattle and our cattle farmers, is a different question.

  19. Yes, Luke, that is exactly why put my comment the way I did.

    …than that an all-loving, all-knowing, intervening deity has visited earth and intervened.

    The vast majority of Christians don’t believe in a deist, pantheist or panentheist model — thus my comment stipulated the sort of Christian I was discussing.

    But thanx again for being the hyper-alert “God” cop.

    I get it, you have a different Christianity than the majority. My comment tried to allow for that, but …. Anyway you can salvage the word “God” is fine by me.

    Now, on to a more interesting point you made:

    Why would you not go to a 99% for life on other planets, or 99.9999%.
    No room for doubt?

  20. associatedluke:
    I agree. UFOs visiting Earth is a different matter than life elsewhere. However, since the probability of life elsewhere is high (not 100%, because 100% means we have full proof/evidence), the probability that UFOs (or any form of “intelligent” life) having visited the Earth is also positive. I put it at the level of 10^(-20), which is, indeed, positive (albeit very small.)

    The question of god (gods, godesses, etc.), however, is not even scientific. Whereas we can give some definition of life, i.e., a set of conditions which life should satisfy, we can say nothing about god. Simply because different people mean different things. Hindu gods are different from the Zoroastrian fellow (Ahura Mazda). There is no definition of god that would be acceptable by the majority of people. In fact, my Muslim friends insist that god is male. They wouldn’t even accept the possibility that Allah could be a “she”; so much so, that they get offended if I refer to Allah as a “she”. I know that some religious folk would argue that I’m trivializing things, but this, by itself, is the weakness of religion: that there is nothing universal and nothing scientific about it. It’s just a matter of personal “feeling” and blind acceptance of some doctrines which are regarded as true simply because they became more established than other, less fortunate doctrines, which fell into oblivion in the course of history.

    On the other hand, life has a rather well-defined meaning. The more we learn, the better we are in a position to define and, therefore, recognize (extraterrestrial) life if it ever shows up.

  21. @ Takis,
    Talking with Christians on threads is very complicated since there are so many different flavors of them.
    Luke’s flavor is not evangelical or conservative.
    I don’t think he ever posits his god in such a way that it could ever be tested.
    So his definition of “God” is not the theist, interventionalist that I described.
    Luke is also a universalist (of sorts) and certainly no liable to the blind acceptance charge. So lumping all believers together would be an error.

  22. You seem defensive. God-cop… no. Which is why I wrote “Semantics, but trying to sharpen the argument.” To try to ward off this knee-jerk reaction, but to no avail. And then you run to “But most Christians!” which I’m starting to see as a “no true scotsman” on your end. Have fun with that.

    And no… there is no doubt in my mind of life on other planets. As to it’s intelligence, location, and make-up…

  23. My model of God is tested all the time. What’s science but finding the mind of God and how God works. It’s a rather Enlightenment minded concept really… And the more we find out, the more we find out how much we don’t know. Panentheist model if you need a category. Who’s playing God-cop now?

  24. I hadn’t even realized what Luke was up to. I wrote in haste. Hey, I’m in Scotland, for a a few days, but not a true scotsman, that’s for sure.

  25. @ Luke
    Your “model of God” is whatever is and thus “no God” works too. So no need for God-talk. But you enjoy it and use it for marketing community, I get that.
    Like I said, you can keep your precious word, “God”.

    Don’t you get tired of having this conversation over and over on this blog?
    I am really curious what you get out of it?

  26. “no god” is indeed a workable model. As are the others. Yet I see you often run the “no god” model up against the “interventionist” model and then stop there. Ever get tired of writing about it? Apparently not. Call me a marketer or what have you, and I’ll call ya a recovering fundie and we’ll both be wrong.

    On a lighter note, here’s a tweet from @TheTweetOfGod that fits, posted on 11-5. “There is life in outer space. And it’s intelligent. That’s why it’s staying far away from you.”

  27. Loretta

    There have been strange phenomena witnessed by mankind throughout his existence: ghosts, false gods, demons and now space aliens. If you only ascribe to the existence of one of them, then you must have an explanation of all the others. They do however, have one source; Satan and all the fallen angels.

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